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are SPAMING the list. It was understood that the basis of this list was to
be collaborative. There was considerable concern that the outcome of the
list being taken over by a vendor was going to a change the way the list
would be handled. I for one object that my comments are being used to sell
products for 21st. 21st is hosting this list but is not their list IMHO.
Using the comments of this list to market their products with these graphic
links I believe is inappropriate. As a reseller myself I resent their use
of my comments to market their business. Every posting carries their URL
and they are deriving considerable benefit from this alone. 21st has been
extremely aggressive in marketing on the web and I have no problem with
their marketing efforts. I do have problem with using this list as if it
was their property because they are hosting it. As I said before I am sure
we all appreciate the efforts of 21st in hosting this list. They do bring
you through their site to sign up and all messages contain their URL. I
don't believe hosting implies ownership nor was that my understanding that
it was their original contention when they offered to host the list. I
don't think anyone wants to see graphic advertisements on postings from
dealers either. I will step off my soapbox now and listen to your responses.
At 08:06 AM 3/12/98 -0500, Alan Arfken wrote:
>Hey, wait a minute here. I just ran an AltaVista search on one of the
>folks complaining here and came up with two archive sites, one of which
>didn't work anymore:
>http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/archives/voice-users-archive/1831.html
>http://hplbwww.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/archives/archives-97/voice-users-arch
ive/2421.html
>
>The third archive site, cited below, is OWNED and PAID FOR by the owner
>of the domain name, voicerecognition.com -- 21st Century. You are
>reading your message, posted through the mailing list they pay for, on
>their website, with a pair of logos at the bottome with links to the
>homepage of that very website. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Now
>exactly what is so unusual, surprising, misleading or unfair about
>THAT?
>
>Whether it's great to have your e-mail address available for harvesting
>by spam mailers is a another question entirely, but Enrique has already
>promised to look into hiding the real addresses. I may be relatively
>new to this list, but let's appreciate the service 21st Century is
>providing by maintaining this list and the archives. Would you prefer
>to pay a subscription fee for using the list? Who's supposed to pay for
>the hassle? I maintain a small list myself. It's a pain. BTW, he
>hasn't complained about HIS competitors advertising themselves on HIS
>LIST with their signature line advertisements. Give the guy a break!
>IMHO FWIW AA
>
>http://voicerecognition.com/voice-users/archive/1998/0373.html
>
>
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>H. Alan Arfken, Jr. MESSAGE INTENDED FOR
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>423.267.2100Martin Tibor wrote:
>>
>> This is how you are found on the internet. Complete with logo/graphic link
>> to 21st.
>>
>> http://voicerecognition.com/voice-users/archive/1998/0373.html
>>
>> How does it feel to be a west coast sales agent for 21st Century without
>> your knowledge????
>>
>> At 09:36 PM 3/11/98 -0800, George Szymkiewicz wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Holland St.John wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hmmm....
>> >>
>> >> I didn't know this, did the AltaVista search, (searched on "Web" for my
>> >> name) and found what you say.... Well close.. I wouldn't call the 21st
>> >> Century ad at the bottom a "large graphic", but it is certainly an
>> >> advertisement attached to all my e-mails to voice-users. I'm not sure
>> >> yet how much I dislike this, but I sure don't appreciate it...
>> >> Especially as I had no idea this was happening.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't written much publicly lately but in a search of Altavista I
>> didn't
>> >> see the ads Marty refers to. Are they really blatant? If so, I would
>> rapidly
>> >> develop an opinion since I'm also a reseller.
>> >
>> >Cheers,George
>> >
>> >> Martin Tibor wrote:
>> >> I was stunned to
>> >> > find my comments as well as everyone else all over the Internet with
>> large
>> >> > linked graphic tagged advertisements to visit the 21st Century
website.
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> Regards,
>>
>> Marty Tibor
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