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I opened Alta Vista (on my bookmark page, not through a link), set it to
search Web, and search for my name (not email address). All of my posts
that are not listed as starting with "Voice-users Archive" but listed as
starting with "Voice-users" have the ads at the bottom.
I am mildly irritated at the ads, but much more irritated that I didn't
know the ads were associated with my e-mail. I think at least the 21
Century voice-users sign up site should have a note informing
subscribers that their posts would be linked with an ad when acessed
through a search engine.
Holland
Rose wrote:
>
> I see the logos you are talking about when I click on the link included
> on your post. I do not see them when searching for my name in Yahoo or
> AltaVista,then clicking on an item when it is found. The difference
> seems to be that the ones I've found are archived at (Andy Norman's
> archives):
> http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/archives/archives-98/voice-users-archive/
> The ones that you see with the ads are archived at (21 Century):
> http://voicerecognition.com/voice-users/archive/
> I did not know that 21 Century was also archiving the posts, I thought
> only Andy Norman was. I also don't understand why, when I do a search
> for my email address in Yahoo, AltaVista, etc., I get posts archived on
> Andy Norman's page and you get them archived on 21 Century page. I can
> understand why, as a vendor, you would object to this. On the other
> hand, I can understand 21 Century placing ads on the pages that they are
> archiving on their servers. I don't have an answer for this. Anyone?
> Rose
> "who is still trying to understand how Netscape makes enough money to
> pay employees, etc. now that their product is free"
>
> artin Tibor wrote:
> >
> > I started in Yahoo and was bumped to Alta Vista and I was looking for Susan
> > Fulton's Out-Loud URL that I had lost. What I found was a large graphic
> > tag with the voice users link and another large grpahic link for 21st
> > Century next to it. I then did another search on my name and found the
> > same. I have no problem with 21st Century advertising or promoting their
> > business at all. I just don't think that the voice users forum should be
> > the vehicle. They get considerable coverage given that every message
> > contains their URL. Large graphics attached to every posting is over the
> > line from my point of view.
> >
> > I just tried it again and it happened on this posting but not all
> >
> > http://voicerecognition.com/voice-users/archive/0176.html
> >
> > It may be dated related. It seems to have started in 1998. I have
> > attached the graphic.
> >
> > At 08:47 AM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Martin,
> > >When I went to AltaVista and typed my name, the resulting adds I saw
> > >were for Amazon and TurboTax - maybe the adds rotate or something. As
> > >for the archiving on search engine pages of individual voice-users
> > >posts, I don't like it, we have discussed this before in this group. I
> > >don't think that they used to be indexed by search engines - think this
> > >just started about a year ago. Have no idea how the indexing could be
> > >stopped, I'm not a "net wiz". I really appreciate the time and expense
> > >that 21st Century is expending hosting the group and I don't think that
> > >their hosting of the group should take away their right to advertise on
> > >search engine pages. Perhaps a way could be found so that only the
> > >voice-users subscription page was listed with search engines, not every
> > >voice-user's post?
> > >Rose
> > >
> > >Martin Tibor wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Although all of us appreciate the hosting services of 21st Century this was
> > >> meant to be a forum independent of marketing influences. I was stunned to
> > >> find my comments as well as everyone else all over the Internet with large
> > >> linked graphic tagged advertisements to visit the 21st Century website. An
> > >> Alta Vista search of your name will reveal the same.
> > >>
> > >> I am a reseller and I try to contribute where I can to this forum and
> > >> attempt to remove myself from any attempt to use this forum to sell
> > >> services or products. The other resellers with few exceptions have done
> > >> the same. This move by 21st Century to own all these messages and comments
> > >> as their own and use them to market their products is taking unfair
> > >> advantage of this situation. I consider this the worst abuse possible of
> > >> this relationship and welcome comments from the voice users.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Marty Tibor
> > >> Synapse
> > >> 3095 Kerner Blvd., Suite S
> > >> San Rafael, CA 94901
> > >> Phone 415-455-9700
> > >> Fax 415-455-9801
> > >> toll-free 888-285-9988
> > >>
> > >> martytib@@synapseadaptive.com
> > >> http://www.synapseadaptive.com
> > >>
> > >> Providers of adaptive and assistive technology solutions.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Name: 21st_logo2.GIF
> > Part 1.2 Type: GIF Image (image/gif)
> > Encoding: base64
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marty Tibor
> > Synapse
> > 3095 Kerner Blvd., Suite S
> > San Rafael, CA 94901
> > Phone 415-455-9700
> > Fax 415-455-9801
> > toll-free 888-285-9988
> >
> > martytib@@synapseadaptive.com
> > http://www.synapseadaptive.com
> >
> > Providers of adaptive and assistive technology solutions.
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