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I also have to second Rose. Writing macros is easy -- I have written tons of them. I love the flexibility! For example, if I am working with a test application and I want to test a specific case, I'll write a macro just to do that. Later I may change the macro or delete it and write a new one (or two or three). I can use one voice command where anyone else would have to use multiple keyboard/mouse commands. Its certainly not tedious, you just have to figure out what you want your macro to do. I do think that the commands in DragonDictate and NaturallySpeaking should be more similar -- as a matter of fact, I've written a few new macros for DragonDictate to do things that I liked in NaturallySpeaking (such as creating a [Select Previous Word] macro).
I would love someone from Dragon Systems to let this list know what the future plans are for DragonDictate. Someone suggested we all try to contact Dragon Systems -- what is the best way to let them know how we all feel? Any ideas?
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Rose [SMTP:edrose19@@idt.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:08 AM
To: Christopher King
Cc: voice-users@@voicerecognition.com
Subject: Re: Additional Functionality in NaturallySpeaking
Actually, I've been making my own voice macros for years and haven't
found it tedious, have found it interesting. With Nat, even Deluxe
which has more functions than lessor versions of Nat, there either are
not as many functions (commands) or I can't find them - the lack of
groups is driving me nuts, the DDE capability is limited (and maybe
there is a better way to do what I did with Dragon's DDE capability but
I can't find it). Having said all that, I did try ViaVoice, trained it
for twice as long as I had Nat (40 hours) before I ran a time/accuracy
test - and, as I've reported to the group - both the speed and the
accuracy that I was able to obtain with it were far less than what I do
with Nat. Saying "far less" is putting it very mildly.
Rose
Christopher King wrote:
>
> I can understand it being a sore point. Thanks for putting me in the
> picture. From my relatively uninformed viewpoint I think what has
> happened is that rather than leave a good thing alone, Dragon has forced
> users like yourself to relearn it by a different method. That might not
> necessarily mean the functionality has been taken away, users might have
> to access it by constructing the macros to access it. Sounds very
> tedious and probably impossible if you cannot input by keyboard. From
> Dragon's point of view, the new configuration makes for a smaller
> program. However, if Dragon were responsive they should provide
> downloadable macros. If not IBM VV is across the road waiting.
>
> Chris.
>
> Rose wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, my question to you must have sounded rude. The lack of true
> > integration of all Dragon Dictate functions into NaturallySpeaking is a
> > sore point among those of us who have used the software for years. With
> > Dragon, I can do everything - wonderful command/control. Anything that
> > can be done by keyboard or mouse, I can do by voice. Nat is an
> > astounding product for dictation; the Deluxe version (not the preferred
> > one) adds back some of the voice macro capability that continuous speech
> > removed but not all. It would be impossible, at least for me, to list
> > all of the missing functions. Not saying they won't be added at some
> > point, but they're not there yet. And, I have to admit that some of my
> > problem with the software is simply because of the way that macros are
> > constructed and their functions are so totally different than the way I
> > am used to in Dragon Dictate.
> > Rose
> >
> > Christopher King wrote:
> > >
> > > No I have not. I am currently researching speech recognition software
> > > and am under the impression that Dragon Dictate functionality has been
> > > integrated with Naturally Speaking Preferred and Naturally Speaking
> > > Deluxe. Naturally Speaking could be used in conjunction with Dragon
> > > Dictate 3.0 to achieve voice control. Voice-control of the mouse via
> > > 'Mousegrid' is one such feature, as well as voice-controlled menu
> > > operation. A comparison of the three versions is available on the Dragon
> > > Systems web site.
> > > If Dragon Dictate has functionality which has been omitted from
> > > subsequent developments, I apologise for giving the impression I know it
> > > has not.
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > > -------------------------
> > > Rose wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Christopher,
> > > > Have you ever used Dragon Dictate (the discrete product)?
> > > > Rose
> > > >
> > > > Christopher King wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Naturally Speaking Preferred and Deluxe(both released in 1997), appear
> > > > > to satisfy these requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Maxine McCarthy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unless NaturallySpeaking acquires the additional capabilities
> > > > > > (i.e. full command and control of the computer, full mouse
> > > > > > control, the ability to dictate into any Windows application,
> > > > > > etc.) than NaturallySpeaking cannot be a replacement for
> > > > > > DragonDictate, because people like me, who cannot use their
> > > > > > hands at all on a computer, cannot get by with the existing
> > > > > > functionality in NaturallySpeaking!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need and want all the abilities of DragonDictate
> > > > > > and also the great continuous speech feature of
> > > > > > NaturallySpeaking in one integrated product.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will express my needs to Dragon Systems, but I am
> > > > > > just 1 individual customer. I would like to encourage
> > > > > > other DragonDictate users on this mailing list who
> > > > > > also require the complete command and control functionality
> > > > > > in DragonDictate to also communicate your interest in
> > > > > > seeing NaturallySpeaking have these additional capabilities.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I appreciate any support you can provide for this cause
> > > > > > because the more DragonDictate customers that speak of
> > > > > > the more DragonDictate will notice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much.
> > > > > > --maxinem
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ========================================================
> > > > > > This document was created using voice dictation software
> > > > > > and a foot-operated mouse
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Christopher King <kurisiki@@deakin.edu.au>
> > > > > Centre for the Body and Society, Deakin University
> > > > > Geelong VIC 3217. Australia.
> > > > > Fax: 61 352 272018 : Tel: 61 352 271301
> > > > > http://www2.deakin.edu.au/research/research_centres/bodycent/default.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christopher King <kurisiki@@deakin.edu.au>
> > > Centre for the Body and Society, Deakin University
> > > Geelong VIC 3217. Australia.
> > > Fax: 61 352 272018 : Tel: 61 352 271301
> > > http://www2.deakin.edu.au/research/research_centres/bodycent/default.htm
>
> --
> Christopher King <kurisiki@@deakin.edu.au>
> Centre for the Body and Society, Deakin University
> Geelong VIC 3217. Australia.
> Fax: 61 352 272018 : Tel: 61 352 271301
> http://www2.deakin.edu.au/research/research_centres/bodycent/default.htm
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